{"slug": "yours-truly-on-the-vergecast-the-epic-story-of-markdown", "title": "Yours Truly on The Vergecast: ‘# the **Epic** Story of Markdown’", "summary": "John Gruber and Anil Dash join The Vergecast to discuss the origins and widespread adoption of Markdown, which has become the standard for plain text formatting in LLM agentic systems. Gruber attributes Markdown's success to the triumph of plain text files for system configuration and human-readable prose, noting its embrace by Apple's developer tools team.", "body_md": "David Pierce, host of The Vergecast:\n\nSo where did Markdown come from? It came from John Gruber. John joins the show, along with Anil Dash, to tell the story of where Markdown came from and\n\n[how it took over the world].\n\nMarkdown has been growing steadily for years, but it’s seen a step change in popularity now that it’s been embraced as the lingua franca of LLM agentic systems. I had an interesting all-too-brief chat last week in Cupertino with some people from Apple’s developer tools team about how it feels to see Markdown spread everywhere — [including WWDC](https://daringfireball.net/misc/2026/06/apple-developer-%E2%80%98markdown%E2%80%99-WWDC-2026.png). In a word, gratifying.\n\nBut the biggest reason for Markdown’s continuing success isn’t Markdown itself. It’s the triumph of plain text files, both for system configuration and for the interchange of human-readable (and thus, LLM-readable) prose. Markdown isn’t really a “syntax”. It’s a set of conventions for formatting plain text. If everyone agrees to the same basic conventions, plain text can be significantly more expressive than a string of unformatted characters.\n\nThat’s it. So what I find gratifying isn’t that my “language” continues to thrive, because it’s not a language. It’s that the way I like to format plain text when I’m writing, and the way I like to see plain text formatted when I’m reading, has so thoroughly won the world’s mindshare battle. “Ha-ha”, I say, to people who want *this* to mean bold, not italic. (And to Slack and WhatsApp, I say “Fuck you.”)", "url": "https://wpnews.pro/news/yours-truly-on-the-vergecast-the-epic-story-of-markdown", "canonical_source": "https://www.theverge.com/podcast/950082/markdown-history-gruber-vergecast", "published_at": "2026-06-17 15:37:42+00:00", "updated_at": "2026-06-17 15:53:10.237361+00:00", "lang": "en", "topics": ["large-language-models", "developer-tools"], "entities": ["John Gruber", "Anil Dash", "David Pierce", "Apple", "The Vergecast", "WWDC", "Slack", "WhatsApp"], "alternates": {"html": "https://wpnews.pro/news/yours-truly-on-the-vergecast-the-epic-story-of-markdown", "markdown": "https://wpnews.pro/news/yours-truly-on-the-vergecast-the-epic-story-of-markdown.md", "text": "https://wpnews.pro/news/yours-truly-on-the-vergecast-the-epic-story-of-markdown.txt", "jsonld": "https://wpnews.pro/news/yours-truly-on-the-vergecast-the-epic-story-of-markdown.jsonld"}}