# ‘There’s this deep mystery of what, actually, is this thing?’: the philosopher inside Google DeepMind AI – podcast > Source: > Published: 2026-07-17 04:00:58+00:00 # ‘There’s this deep mystery of what, actually, is this thing?’: the philosopher inside Google DeepMind AI – podcast By Written by Robert P Baird and read by Simon Darwen. Produced by Nicola Alexandrou. The executive producer was Ellie BurySource: [The Guardian Technology](https://www.theguardian.com/us/technology)Since 2017, Iason Gabriel has worked at the tech giant, trying to anticipate – and think through – the impact of AI. But as commercial and geopolitical pressures escalate, can ethicists make any difference? By Robert P Baird. Read by Simon Darwen **Support the Guardian today: theguardian.com/longreadpod** [Continue reading...](https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2026/jul/17/theres-this-deep-mystery-of-what-actually-is-this-thing-the-philosopher-inside-google-deepmind-ai-podcast) Get AI news in your inbox Daily digest of what matters in AI.