The Random Show — Tim and Kevin Talk Retreats, Mortality, AI Predictions, Supplements, Rock Climbing at (Almost) 50, and Not Waiting for “Someday” (#875)

In The Random Show #875, Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose discuss Zen retreats, learning to rock climb at almost 50, mortality and grief, and AI predictions, among other topics. The episode is sponsored by Incogni and Wealthfront.

In this edition of The Random Show, Tim Ferriss http://tim.blog/ and Kevin Rose https://www.kevinrose.com/ reunite over tequila to talk Zen retreats, learning to rock climb at almost 50, mortality and grief, why you should stop saying “one day,” AI predictions, and much more. This episode is brought to you by: Incogni , which removes your personal data from the web, helping shield you from fraud, scams, and identity theft Wealthfront high-yield cash account Please enjoy Additional podcast platforms Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Audible, or on your favorite podcast platform. Transcripts Show Notes Connect with Kevin Rose : Website https://www.kevinrose.com/ | Digg http://digg.com/ | Diggnation Podcast https://www.diggnation.show/ | Instagram https://www.instagram.com/kevinrose/ | X http://www.twitter.com/kevinrose | Threads https://www.threads.net/@kevinrose | Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/kevinrose.com Connect with Tim Ferriss : Website https://tim.blog/ | 5-Bullet Friday https://tim.blog/friday/ | Saisei Foundation https://saiseifoundation.org/ | Instagram https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ | X https://x.com/tferriss/ Relevant Tim Ferriss Show Episodes Assessing Risk and Living Without a Rope – Lessons from Alex Honnold https://tim.blog/2016/05/17/alex-honnold/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 160 Dr. Adam Gazzaley, UCSF — Brain Optimization and the Future of Psychedelic Medicine https://tim.blog/2021/03/30/adam-gazzaley-2/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 507 Dr. Tommy Wood — How to Future-Proof Your Brain from Dementia https://tim.blog/2026/01/28/dr-tommy-wood-how-to-future-proof-your-brain-from-dementia/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 851 Elan Lee, Co-Creator of Exploding Kittens — How to Raise Millions on Kickstarter, Deconstructing Mega-Successes, Secrets of Game Design, The Power of Positive Constraints, The Delights of Craftsmanship, and The Art of Turning Fans into Superfans https://tim.blog/2023/02/03/elan-lee/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 653 Henry Shukman — Zen, Tools for Awakening, Ayahuasca vs. Meditation, Intro to Koans, and Using Wounds as the Doorway https://tim.blog/2021/09/08/henry-shukman/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 531 Matt Mullenweg on Polyphasic Sleep, Tequila, and Building Billion-Dollar Companies https://tim.blog/2015/02/09/matt-mullenweg/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 61 Matt Mullenweg — The Art of Crafting a Sabbatical, Tips for Defending Against Hackers, Leveraging Open Source, Thriving in an AI World, and Tips for Life’s Darkest Hours https://tim.blog/2023/12/29/matt-mullenweg-2/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 713 The Maverick of Brain Optimization https://tim.blog/2015/06/22/adam-gazzaley/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 83 Michael Pollan — Exploring The New Science of Psychedelics https://tim.blog/2018/05/06/michael-pollan-how-to-change-your-mind/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 313 Michael Pollan — This Is Your Mind on Plants https://tim.blog/2021/06/28/michael-pollan-this-is-your-mind-on-plants/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 520 My Two-Year Secret Project, COYOTE — The Strategies and Tactics for Building a Bestseller from Nothing with Elan Lee of Exploding Kittens https://tim.blog/2025/08/06/coyote-card-game/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 821 The Random Show, Couch Edition — Supplements, Hummingbirds, Cock Rings, Optimizing Mitochondria, Breathing and Balance Training, Cool Grip-Strength Tools, and More https://tim.blog/2026/03/18/random-show-couch-edition/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 858 The Random Show, Rare Drinking Edition — Affordable Luxuries, Brain Stimulation, Sampling the Future and Some Previews , Recharging with Creative Experiments, Tokenizing Humans with a Bonding Curve, Poetry for People Who Hate Poetry, and Much More https://tim.blog/2023/09/01/the-random-show-drinking-edition/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 690 Sam Harris, Ph.D. — How to Master Your Mind https://tim.blog/2018/10/29/sam-harris-waking-up/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 342 Tim Ferriss and Matt Mullenweg in Antarctica — Exploring Personal Fears, Bucket Lists, Facing Grief, Crafting Life Missions, and Tim’s Best Penguin Impressions https://tim.blog/2022/03/09/matt-mullenweg-antarctica/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 578 Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans https://tim.blog/2021/12/29/zen-master-henry-shukman/ | The Tim Ferriss Show 560 Books & Recommended Reading 10,000 Years of Dog Domestication https://x.com/cbcideas/status/1366522976364036104 | CBC Radio’s Ideas 360 Feedback Questions: Samples for Managers With Downloadable Templates https://ca.indeed.com/hire/c/info/360-feedback-questions-samples-for-managers | Indeedby Joe Abercrombie | Amazon The Blade Itself The First Law Trilogy, Book One https://www.amazon.com/Blade-Itself-First-Law-Trilogy/dp/0316387312/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 by Michael Pollan | Amazon The Botany of Desire: A Plant’s-Eye View of the World https://www.amazon.com/dp/0375760393/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 FANG Stocks Explained https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fang-stocks-fb-amzn.asp | Investopedia Has AI Already Killed Nonfiction? https://tim.blog/2026/06/12/has-ai-already-killed-nonfiction/ by Tim Ferriss | Tim’s Blog The Tail End https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/12/the-tail-end.html by Tim Urban | Wait But Why Internet?Enabled Orgasms: How Teledildonics Are Changing the Way We Have Sex https://theconversation.com/internet-enabled-orgasms-how-teledildonics-are-changing-the-way-we-have-sex-252856 | The Conversation Films & TV | Prime Video Free Solo | Prime Video Rain Man | Prime Video Toy Story | Prime Video Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory People Joe Abercrombie https://joeabercrombie.com/author/ Emil Abrahamsson https://www.youtube.com/emilabrahamsson/ Joshua Baer https://fortune.com/2026/06/18/joshua-baer-capital-factory-austin-death/ Sergey Brin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey Brin Warren Buffett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren Buffett Michael Eckert https://www.youtube.com/@MichaelEckert Molly Ferriss https://www.instagram.com/p/CzZLcHqO4Sy/ Adam Gazzaley https://tim.blog/2021/03/30/adam-gazzaley-2/ Sam Harris https://tim.blog/2020/05/15/sam-harris-2/ Alex Honnold https://tim.blog/2016/05/17/alex-honnold/ Andrew Huberman https://tim.blog/2023/03/08/dr-andrew-huberman/ Steve Jobs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve Jobs John Lasseter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John Lasseter Elan Lee https://tim.blog/2025/08/06/coyote-card-game/ Om Malik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om Malik Bill Maris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill Maris Terence McKenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence McKenna Matt Mullenweg https://tim.blog/2023/12/29/matt-mullenweg-2/ Elon Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon Musk Michael Pollan https://tim.blog/2021/06/28/michael-pollan-this-is-your-mind-on-plants/ David Prager https://www.instagram.com/dlprager/ Joe Rogan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe Rogan Darya Rose https://summertomato.com/about/darya/ Toaster Rose https://www.instagram.com/p/CVgADNFvHxL/ Henry Shukman https://tim.blog/2021/12/29/zen-master-henry-shukman/ Lisa Su https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/leadership/lisa-su.html Tim Urban https://tim.blog/2017/11/30/managing-procrastination-predicting-the-future-and-finding-happiness/ Chris Williamson https://chriswillx.com/ Tommy Wood https://tim.blog/2026/01/28/dr-tommy-wood-how-to-future-proof-your-brain-from-dementia/ Yamada Ryoun Roshi https://www.mountaincloud.org/sanbo-zen-yamada-ryoun-roshi/ Meditation & Introspection Four Myths About Zen Buddhism’s Mu Koan https://blog.oup.com/2012/04/four-myths-about-zen-buddhisms-mu-koan/ by Steven Heine | OUPblog The Live Your Values Deck https://www.amazon.com/dp/1797206125/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 | Amazon Waking Up https://www.wakingup.com/ Sam Harris’ Mindfulness Meditation App The Way https://www.thewayapp.com/ Henry Shukman’s Guided Meditation App The Last Time https://dynamic.wakingup.com/course/CO9D9C921 by Sam Harris | Waking Up The Whole Earth is Medicine https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYzuXd4MS9W/ by Harry Shukman | Instagram Supplements, Food, Drinks, & Performance Bulleit Rye Whiskey https://www.bulleit.com/ deltaG Ketones https://www.deltagketones.com/ LALO Tequila https://lalospirits.com/ Maui Nui Venison https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/tim Neutonic Nootropic Toothpicks https://neutonic.com/ Pioneer Pastures A2 Protein https://pioneerpastures.com/ Chocolate https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F4TVLFVZ/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 / Vanilla https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F4V9CFH9/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 | Amazon Training Abrahangs Protocol https://goodbeta.co.za/home-hangboard-routine/ 10s on / 50s off, 10 min, 2×/day Ape Index Calculator https://www.99boulders.com/ape-index-calculator | 99Boulders Learn Chess the Duolingo Way https://www.duolingo.com/chess | Duolingo M3i Studio Indoor Bike https://www.keiser.com/shop/cardio-equipment/m3i-studio-indoor-bike | Keiser Norwegian 4×4 High-Intensity Interval Training https://www.on.com/en-us/stories/4x4-interval-training | On The Nug https://frictitiousclimbing.com/products/the-nug | Frictitious Climbing Science & Research A Phase 3 Trial of MM120 for Generalized Anxiety Disorder Voyage https://neuroscape.ucsf.edu/voyage/ | UCSF Neuroscape Definium Therapeutics https://definiumtx.com/ formerly MindMed Research https://dogagingproject.org/publications | Dog Aging Project Single Treatment With MM120 Lysergide in Generalized Anxiety Disorder https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2838505 | JAMA Tech & AI AI Halo https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/ryzen-ai-halo.html | AMD Ryzen ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ | OpenAI Claude / Claude Code https://claude.ai/ | Anthropic Descript https://www.descript.com/ Ferrite Recording Studio App https://www.wooji-juice.com/products/ferrite/ | Wooji Juice Gemini https://gemini.google.com/app | Google Google X https://x.company/ NVIDIA https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/ Pixar Animation Studios https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Fl0AAOSwrudn1hUa/s-l1600.webp Sennheiser XS Lav USB-C Pro Audio Condenser Microphone https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YS2G4FB/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 | Amazon Shokz OpenMeet UC Bone-Conduction Headset https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK85XVJ7/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 | Amazon SimCity Games https://www.ea.com/games/simcity | EA SpaceX https://www.spacex.com/ Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ Ubiquiti UniFi G5 Ultra Network Camera https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPDKPTMP/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 | Amazon Waymo https://waymo.com/ Wispr Flow http://wisprflow.ai/ Voice-to-Text Timestamps - 00:00:00 Start. - 00:00:24 A tequila toast, and getting “taxed” by alcohol as you age. - 00:02:18 Toaster at 15: a late-night health scare. - 00:06:01 Losing Om Malik, and finding out on retreat. - 00:08:03 Matt Mullenweg, Antarctica, and gratitude. - 00:09:34 Coming to terms with our limited time on Earth. - 00:14:37 Five days of silence and the koan “Mu.” - 00:15:20 Kevin’s micro-insight and a plug for The Way. - 00:27:25 Rock climbing after 40, and a Yosemite goal. - 00:29:18 Michael Eckert and finger-strength training. - 00:30:40 The Nug, Abrahangs, and a travel training kit. - 00:32:57 Free Solo and climbing with a fear of heights. - 00:37:53 The Blade Itself , and a friend lost in a plane crash. - 00:39:19 A2 protein and Pioneer Pastures. - 00:40:34 Maui Nui venison and the nitrate question. - 00:43:48 deltaG ketones: what they are and the catch. - 00:45:42 Ketones, dementia, and verbal fluidity. - 00:46:29 Pre-grieving a parent’s decline. - 00:48:33 Training not to die: the one bike I can stand and the Norwegian 4×4. - 00:51:10 Something beats nothing: saunas, treadmills, and Duolingo chess. - 00:53:04 The MM120 anxiety study — and a small-world surprise. - 00:56:17 Psilocybin, LSD, and dementia case reports. - 01:01:28 Neutonic toothpicks and Kevin’s AI-powered home. - 01:06:12 Spooky AI personalization and investment autopsies. - 01:17:38 Values cards, contractual bonds, and dark information. - 01:23:25 360 reviews and child-rearing. - 01:24:54 Wispr Flow, Shokz, and my recording rig. - 01:29:32 The “big three” and where AI goes next. - 01:44:40 Let your winners run; buy the company, not the product. - 01:51:08 Digg’s relaunch, 5-Bullet Friday, and parting thoughts. 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