# The Random Show — Tim and Kevin Talk Retreats, Mortality, AI Predictions, Supplements, Rock Climbing at (Almost) 50, and Not Waiting for “Someday” (#875) > Source: > Published: 2026-07-16 16:33:56+00:00 In this edition of The Random Show, [Tim Ferriss](http://tim.blog/) and [Kevin Rose](https://www.kevinrose.com/) reunite over tequila to talk Zen retreats, learning to rock climb at (almost) 50, mortality and grief, why you should stop saying “one day,” AI predictions, and much more. **This episode is brought to you by:** **Incogni****, which removes your personal data from the web, helping shield you from fraud, scams, and identity theft****Wealthfront****high-yield cash account** Please enjoy! ### Additional podcast platforms **Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Audible, or on your favorite podcast platform.** ### Transcripts ## Show Notes Connect with **Kevin Rose**: [Website](https://www.kevinrose.com/) | [Digg](http://digg.com/) | [Diggnation Podcast](https://www.diggnation.show/) | [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/kevinrose/) | [X](http://www.twitter.com/kevinrose) | [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@kevinrose) | [Bluesky](https://bsky.app/profile/kevinrose.com) Connect with **Tim Ferriss**: [Website](https://tim.blog/) | [5-Bullet Friday](https://tim.blog/friday/) | [Saisei Foundation](https://saiseifoundation.org/) | [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/) | [X](https://x.com/tferriss/) ### Relevant Tim Ferriss Show Episodes [Assessing Risk and Living Without a Rope – Lessons from Alex Honnold](https://tim.blog/2016/05/17/alex-honnold/)| The Tim Ferriss Show #160[Dr. Adam Gazzaley, UCSF — Brain Optimization and the Future of Psychedelic Medicine](https://tim.blog/2021/03/30/adam-gazzaley-2/)| The Tim Ferriss Show #507[Dr. Tommy Wood — How to Future-Proof Your Brain from 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Templates]](https://ca.indeed.com/hire/c/info/360-feedback-questions-samples-for-managers)| Indeedby Joe Abercrombie | Amazon[The Blade Itself (The First Law Trilogy, Book One)](https://www.amazon.com/Blade-Itself-First-Law-Trilogy/dp/0316387312/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)by Michael Pollan | Amazon[The Botany of Desire: A Plant’s-Eye View of the World](https://www.amazon.com/dp/0375760393/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)[FANG Stocks Explained](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fang-stocks-fb-amzn.asp)| Investopedia[Has AI Already Killed Nonfiction?](https://tim.blog/2026/06/12/has-ai-already-killed-nonfiction/)by Tim Ferriss | Tim’s Blog[The Tail End](https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/12/the-tail-end.html)by Tim Urban | Wait But Why[Internet?Enabled Orgasms: How Teledildonics Are Changing the Way We Have Sex](https://theconversation.com/internet-enabled-orgasms-how-teledildonics-are-changing-the-way-we-have-sex-252856)| The Conversation ### Films & TV | Prime Video*Free Solo*| Prime Video*Rain Man*| Prime Video*Toy Story*| Prime Video*Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory* ### People [Joe Abercrombie](https://joeabercrombie.com/author/)[Emil Abrahamsson](https://www.youtube.com/emilabrahamsson/)[Joshua Baer](https://fortune.com/2026/06/18/joshua-baer-capital-factory-austin-death/)[Sergey Brin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Brin)[Warren Buffett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett)[Michael Eckert](https://www.youtube.com/@MichaelEckert)[Molly Ferriss](https://www.instagram.com/p/CzZLcHqO4Sy/)[Adam Gazzaley](https://tim.blog/2021/03/30/adam-gazzaley-2/)[Sam Harris](https://tim.blog/2020/05/15/sam-harris-2/)[Alex Honnold](https://tim.blog/2016/05/17/alex-honnold/)[Andrew Huberman](https://tim.blog/2023/03/08/dr-andrew-huberman/)[Steve Jobs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs)[John Lasseter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lasseter)[Elan Lee](https://tim.blog/2025/08/06/coyote-card-game/)[Om Malik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om_Malik)[Bill Maris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maris)[Terence McKenna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna)[Matt Mullenweg](https://tim.blog/2023/12/29/matt-mullenweg-2/)[Elon Musk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk)[Michael Pollan](https://tim.blog/2021/06/28/michael-pollan-this-is-your-mind-on-plants/)[David Prager](https://www.instagram.com/dlprager/)[Joe Rogan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan)[Darya Rose](https://summertomato.com/about/darya/)[Toaster Rose](https://www.instagram.com/p/CVgADNFvHxL/)[Henry Shukman](https://tim.blog/2021/12/29/zen-master-henry-shukman/)[Lisa Su](https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/leadership/lisa-su.html)[Tim Urban](https://tim.blog/2017/11/30/managing-procrastination-predicting-the-future-and-finding-happiness/)[Chris Williamson](https://chriswillx.com/)[Tommy Wood](https://tim.blog/2026/01/28/dr-tommy-wood-how-to-future-proof-your-brain-from-dementia/)[Yamada Ryoun Roshi](https://www.mountaincloud.org/sanbo-zen-yamada-ryoun-roshi/) ### Meditation & Introspection [Four Myths About Zen Buddhism’s Mu Koan](https://blog.oup.com/2012/04/four-myths-about-zen-buddhisms-mu-koan/)by Steven Heine | OUPblog[The Live Your Values Deck](https://www.amazon.com/dp/1797206125/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)| Amazon[Waking Up](https://www.wakingup.com/)(Sam Harris’ Mindfulness Meditation App)[The Way](https://www.thewayapp.com/)(Henry Shukman’s Guided Meditation App)[The Last Time](https://dynamic.wakingup.com/course/CO9D9C921)by Sam Harris | Waking Up[The Whole Earth is Medicine](https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYzuXd4MS9W/)by Harry Shukman | Instagram ### Supplements, Food, Drinks, & Performance [Bulleit Rye Whiskey](https://www.bulleit.com/)[deltaG Ketones](https://www.deltagketones.com/)[LALO Tequila](https://lalospirits.com/)[Maui Nui Venison](https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/tim)[Neutonic Nootropic Toothpicks](https://neutonic.com/)[Pioneer Pastures A2 Protein](https://pioneerpastures.com/)([Chocolate](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F4TVLFVZ/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)/[Vanilla](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F4V9CFH9/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)| Amazon) ### Training [Abrahangs Protocol](https://goodbeta.co.za/home-hangboard-routine/)(10s on / 50s off, 10 min, 2×/day)[Ape Index Calculator](https://www.99boulders.com/ape-index-calculator)| 99Boulders[Learn Chess the Duolingo Way](https://www.duolingo.com/chess)| Duolingo[M3i Studio Indoor Bike](https://www.keiser.com/shop/cardio-equipment/m3i-studio-indoor-bike)| Keiser[Norwegian 4×4 High-Intensity Interval Training](https://www.on.com/en-us/stories/4x4-interval-training)| On[The Nug](https://frictitiousclimbing.com/products/the-nug)| Frictitious Climbing ### Science & Research [A Phase 3 Trial of MM120 for Generalized Anxiety Disorder (Voyage)](https://neuroscape.ucsf.edu/voyage/)| UCSF Neuroscape[Definium Therapeutics](https://definiumtx.com/)(formerly MindMed)[Research](https://dogagingproject.org/publications)| Dog Aging Project[Single Treatment With MM120 (Lysergide) in Generalized Anxiety Disorder](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2838505)| JAMA ### Tech & AI [AI Halo](https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/ryzen-ai-halo.html)| AMD Ryzen[ChatGPT](https://chatgpt.com/)| OpenAI[Claude / Claude Code](https://claude.ai/)| Anthropic[Descript](https://www.descript.com/)[Ferrite Recording Studio App](https://www.wooji-juice.com/products/ferrite/)| Wooji Juice[Gemini](https://gemini.google.com/app)| Google[Google X](https://x.company/)[NVIDIA](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/)[Pixar Animation Studios](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Fl0AAOSwrudn1hUa/s-l1600.webp)[Sennheiser XS Lav USB-C Pro Audio Condenser Microphone](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YS2G4FB/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)| Amazon[Shokz OpenMeet UC Bone-Conduction Headset](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK85XVJ7/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)| Amazon[SimCity Games](https://www.ea.com/games/simcity)| EA[SpaceX](https://www.spacex.com/)[Tesla](https://www.tesla.com/)[Ubiquiti UniFi G5 Ultra Network Camera](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPDKPTMP/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20)| Amazon[Waymo](https://waymo.com/)[Wispr Flow](http://wisprflow.ai/)(Voice-to-Text) ### Timestamps - [00:00:00] Start. - [00:00:24] A tequila toast, and getting “taxed” by alcohol as you age. - [00:02:18] Toaster at 15: a late-night health scare. - [00:06:01] Losing Om Malik, and finding out on retreat. - [00:08:03] Matt Mullenweg, Antarctica, and gratitude. - [00:09:34] Coming to terms with our limited time on Earth. - [00:14:37] Five days of silence and the koan “Mu.” - [00:15:20] Kevin’s micro-insight and a plug for The Way. - [00:27:25] Rock climbing after 40, and a Yosemite goal. - [00:29:18] Michael Eckert and finger-strength training. - [00:30:40] The Nug, Abrahangs, and a travel training kit. - [00:32:57] *Free Solo*and climbing with a fear of heights. - [00:37:53] *The Blade Itself*, and a friend lost in a plane crash. - [00:39:19] A2 protein and Pioneer Pastures. - [00:40:34] Maui Nui venison and the nitrate question. - [00:43:48] deltaG ketones: what they are and the catch. - [00:45:42] Ketones, dementia, and verbal fluidity. - [00:46:29] Pre-grieving a parent’s decline. - [00:48:33] Training not to die: the one bike I can stand and the Norwegian 4×4. - [00:51:10] Something beats nothing: saunas, treadmills, and Duolingo chess. - [00:53:04] The MM120 anxiety study — and a small-world surprise. - [00:56:17] Psilocybin, LSD, and dementia case reports. - [01:01:28] Neutonic toothpicks and Kevin’s AI-powered home. - [01:06:12] Spooky AI personalization and investment autopsies. - [01:17:38] Values cards, contractual bonds, and dark information. - [01:23:25] 360 reviews and child-rearing. - [01:24:54] Wispr Flow, Shokz, and my recording rig. - [01:29:32] The “big three” and where AI goes next. - [01:44:40] Let your winners run; buy the company, not the 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