# The only thing inside an AI is people

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> Published: 2026-08-14 12:00:00+00:00

In a new [StarTalk episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTppvBU2rU4), Neil deGrasse Tyson and co-host Negin Farsad interviewed Jaron Lanier, the computer scientist who wrote the 2023 *New Yorker* piece, "[There Is No AI](https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/there-is-no-ai)."

Lanier thinks calling AI a "black box" where nobody knows what's inside these models is really just a way to avoid the truth: the box is full of people and their data. — [Read the rest ](https://boingboing.net/2026/08/14/jaron-lanier-there-is-no-ai.html)

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