The Lab Builders Are Leaving

Andrew Dai, co-founder and CEO of Elorian AI, discusses the departure of lab builders from the AI industry in an interview with Open Source CEO. The interview explores the shifting landscape of AI research and development as key talent moves away from traditional labs.

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Anyhow, onto today’s interview INTERVIEW 🎙️ Andrew Dai, Co-Founder & CEO at Elorian AI Andrew Dai https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving is the Co-Founder & CEO of Elorian AI https://elorian.ai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving , a multimodal reasoning research and product lab based in Palo Alto, announcing a $55M seed round backed by NVIDIA, Menlo Ventures, Altimeter, Striker Venture Partners, and Jeff Dean personally. Andrew spent 12 years at Google Brain and DeepMind, most recently co-leading data for Gemini, a team that grew to 400+ contributors. Before that, he co-authored papers that quietly shaped the trajectory of modern AI, including an early sequence-learning paper with Quoc Le that predated GPT and GLaM, and a foundational paper on mixture-of-experts architectures. The thesis at Elorian is that today's frontier models including the ones Andrew helped build have a fundamental blind spot: they can't reliably count, match shapes, or reason over what they actually see. He calls this the visual AGI gap, and believes it's both underappreciated and foundational. His co-founders are Yinfei Yang, who led multimodal research at Apple, and Seth Neel, a former Harvard assistant professor. The fact that Jeff Dean, the man Andrew reported to at Google, chose to back the company he left to start says something worth paying attention to. What is Elorian AI building? We're building models for visual AGI https://elorian.ai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving . If you look at the current frontier models, they really fail some basic tasks that elementary school or high school kids can do, such as counting, reasoning over things, matching shapes, similar objects, and objects that aren't similar. The current models are really unable to do that. I firmly believe you can't have AGI that can't count. If people are running out of a flaming building, you need to be able to count how many people ran out. That's a pretty important thing. We're filling that gap, and we're calling it ‘visual AGI’. It's a big gap that's not really well covered by any of the frontier models, and to do that, we're building a research and product lab. So not only are we pushing the frontier in research https://elorian.ai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving , but we also believe in having that research really affect people and improve their lives. What does your week actually look like as a first-time CEO? It's a lot more meetings than I expected. Even more than when I was leading the data area in Gemini. Meeting with candidates, meeting with our investors, meeting with potential customers, people in the industry who could really benefit from using these models. | And then, of course, meeting with the team to brainstorm what the next research idea we want to go after is, the next modeling technique or data transformation we want to try to build a better model. I still have some time to do some vibe coding myself, or set up the AV system, user access, and even some random admin stuff. How is leading Elorian different from running a team at DeepMind? Very different. The biggest thing is that we feel much more connected to what we're building. DeepMind is a few thousand people—a very big team—and there it's several steps between what you're building and seeing it in the actual Gemini product. That makes things a bit less connected. Things seemed further away. Here, we have full control end-to-end: from building the model, to knowing exactly what data is going into it, to having full control over the API and whatever safety tuning we build. In Gemini, you could build something great, but then safety tuning could affect the final result in ways you couldn't fully predict. For us, we have complete ownership over the model and the product, and with that comes more responsibility to do it properly. What's your North Star metric for 2026? Our most important goal on the research side is getting to state-of-the-art in visual reasoning. We want to be better than any other model out there. The definitive model people use for visual reasoning and multimodal reasoning tasks https://elorian.ai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving . But we also want a solid public external API launch, which we're hoping for later this year. We want to get our model into the hands of people, into the hands of enterprises, and really see that it's clicking for them for their use cases. So, in the end, it's both: the research side and the product side. Source: Elorian AI https://elorian.ai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving . How does Elorian use AI internally to move faster? We're an AI-native company, of course. We've all had a hand in building these models, so we don't shy away from using AI for coding and developing our infrastructure. But I think what's a bit more unique for us is that we also understand where AI is not working, where it's failing, where you shouldn't use it. These days, that's just as important to know. It's not only about knowing where to use it, but knowing where you shouldn't, and where you need to double-check the code and make sure everything is actually working. We've seen a lot of issues, especially around visual tasks, where AI gives unreliable answers, so there we have to be more careful. But it's definitely helping a lot with coding, which means we can build up our infrastructure very quickly. The other benefit is that we're starting from scratch. We're a new lab, and whereas other companies have a lot of old code that needs to be onboarded into coding agents, we don't have anything to onboard. Our codebase is a blank piece of paper, which means | How do you get the best out of yourself? My motivation is the vision I have for making Elorian AI one of the world's leading frontier labs. If you look at a lot of the other labs out there OpenAI, Anthropic, Thinking Machines Lab, Periodic Labs , a lot of those founders come from Google Brain—the same heritage I have. I spent 12 years at Google Brain, and I know a lot of those founders personally. It's very motivating that there are people who've gone down this path and been able to build great models and awesome companies. It gives me confidence that I can do the same: build really great models and build a company that genuinely pushes the frontier of AI https://elorian.ai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving . How do you build a great company culture? Company culture is very important to us. We've seen how cultures can go badly at other places, creating toxic working environments and real problems, especially with researchers. For us, it starts with hiring. We have a very high bar. After our public launch, hundreds of people applied through our website, and we're likely going to hire very few of them. We've decided that even if someone is brilliant, if they can't work in a team, we wouldn't hire them. Maintaining a culture where everyone can work together matters more than any single person's individual output. The Fellowship. We also don't want to build five separate research groups that never talk to each other. You see that at big companies because they're so big; that's the only thing they can do. We've built a very close-knit team where everyone knows each other's strengths and weaknesses. Only then you can build the kind of trust and reliability https://elorian.ai/?utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving that makes a team actually strong. That comes from both hiring and from team events. We have board games whenever people from our New York side join us. We have fun events, and we like to liven up the office. We even have a fountain on the patio one of our researchers is centering a zen space around. We want to give people some variety in their days, a supportive team, and a mental space to think about things outside of work. With vibe coding, a lot of the boring stuff can just be done by AI now. We want to emphasize the team's creativity. Extra reading Ex-Google DeepMind researchers’ Elorian raises $55m https://www.techinasia.com/news/exgoogle-deepmind-researchers-startup-elorian-raises-55m?ref=sticky&utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving - April, 2026 Elorian Founder Spotlight | Andrew Dai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxgUQf74TZ8&utm source=www.opensourceceo.com&utm medium=referral&utm campaign=the-lab-builders-are-leaving - April, 2026 AI Mastered Language. 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