# (Podcast) Upgrade 628: Conspiracy to Steal Trade Secrets

> Source: <https://sixcolors.com/podcast/2026/07/upgrade-628-conspiracy-to-steal-trade-secrets/>
> Published: 2026-07-13 21:29:59+00:00

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[Become a Six Colors member](/subscribe/)Inside Apple’s OpenAI lawsuit: How do trade secrets conflict with expert knowlege, was there a concerted effort to steal secret documents to kickstart OpenAI hardware, and how does Apple’s own vulnerability inform the whole situation?

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