{"slug": "father-of-the-ipod-and-iphone-on-building-taste-judgment-and-creativity-in-the", "title": "Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell", "summary": "Tony Fadell, the inventor of the iPod, co-creator of the iPhone, and founder of Nest, discussed the heated internal debates over whether the iPhone should have a physical keyboard and warned that cognitive surrender to AI is the biggest risk facing product builders today. In a new interview, Fadell argued that opinion-based decisions are essential for first-version products and that voice will eventually become the primary interface with AI, while also revealing how the iPod almost failed due to marketing challenges.", "body_md": "**Tony Fadell** created the iPod, co-created the iPhone, and founded Nest (which he sold to Google for $3.2 billion). He’s co-authored over 300 patents, was part of the legendary team at General Magic, and wrote one of the most important and inspiring books for builders, called *Build*.\n\n**Listen on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts**\n\n### In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:\n\nThe heated internal debates about whether the iPhone should have a physical keyboard\n\nWhy opinion-based decisions are essential for v1 products\n\nWhy marketing matters as much as the product itself, and how the iPod almost failed\n\nWhy voice will eventually become the primary interface with AI\n\nWhy cognitive surrender to AI is the biggest risk facing product builders today\n\n### Brought to you by:\n\n** WorkOS**—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more\n\n** Vanta**—Automate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI\n\n### Where to find Tony Fadell:\n\n• LinkedIn: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyfadell](https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyfadell)\n\n• Website: [https://www.buildc.com](https://www.buildc.com)\n\n### Referenced:\n\n• *BlackBerry*: [https://www.netflix.com/title/81725542](https://www.netflix.com/title/81725542)\n\n• Functional systems: [https://x.com/bhalligan/status/2051873396896518558/photo/1](https://x.com/bhalligan/status/2051873396896518558/photo/1)\n\n• Nest: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Nest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Nest)\n\n• Everyone’s an engineer now: Inside v0’s mission to create a hundred million builders | Guillermo Rauch (founder and CEO of Vercel, creators of v0 and Next.js): [https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch](https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch)\n\n• Hermann Hauser on LinkedIn: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/hermannhauser](https://www.linkedin.com/in/hermannhauser)\n\n• Acorn Computers: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Computers)\n\n• Skunkworks project: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project)\n\n• Netscape Navigator: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Navigator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Navigator)\n\n• Unpacking Amazon’s unique ways of working | Bill Carr (author of Working Backwards): [https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unpacking-amazons-unique-ways-of](https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unpacking-amazons-unique-ways-of)\n\n• *General Magic*: [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6849786](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6849786)\n\n• Dario Amodei’s website: [https://www.darioamodei.com](https://www.darioamodei.com)\n\n• Flighty: [https://flighty.com](https://flighty.com)\n\n• Dave Chappelle: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Chappelle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Chappelle)\n\n• Humane Inc.: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humane_Inc](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humane_Inc)\n\n• *Her*: [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709)\n\n• Spike Jonze: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Jonze](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Jonze)\n\n• Waymo: [https://waymo.com](https://waymo.com)\n\n• Snapchat CEO: Why distribution has become the most important moat | Evan Spiegel: [https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/snapchat-ceo-why-distribution-is](https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/snapchat-ceo-why-distribution-is)\n\n• Simbe Robotics: [https://www.simberobotics.com](https://www.simberobotics.com)\n\n• Greyparrot: [https://www.greyparrot.ai](https://www.greyparrot.ai)\n\n• Grok: [https://grok.com](https://grok.com)\n\n• Cerebras: [https://www.cerebras.ai](https://www.cerebras.ai)\n\n• Esther 4:14: [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Esther%204%3A14](https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Esther%204%3A14)\n\n• iPod Inventor and Nest Founder Tony Fadell Named MAD’s Inaugural Designer in Residence: [https://mad.mit.edu/news/ipod-inventor-and-nest-founder-tony-fadell-named-mit-morningside-academy-for-design-s-inaugural-designer-in-residence](https://mad.mit.edu/news/ipod-inventor-and-nest-founder-tony-fadell-named-mit-morningside-academy-for-design-s-inaugural-designer-in-residence)\n\n### Recommended books:\n\n• *Build: An Unorthodox Guide to Making Things Worth Making*: [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063046067](https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063046067)\n\n• *Working Backwards: Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon*: [https://www.amazon.com/Working-Backwards-Insights-Stories-Secrets/dp/1250275717](https://www.amazon.com/Working-Backwards-Insights-Stories-Secrets/dp/1250275717)\n\nProduction and marketing by [https://penname.co/](https://penname.co/). 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